Originally Posted by
UALinIAH
What you’re describing is simply another extension. IMO it’s going to take gains in QOL plus pay rates to pass. Simply removing the concessions in the Tumi TA and increasing rates won’t do. Alaska set the bar higher for reserves as an example. Even Skywest got better reassignment rules in their TA.
I don't disagree. We haven't played this out yet. Kirby and our NC wanted to do this "without throwing a punch"
I don't believe that's achievable. It hasn't in the history of labor relations at any airline...ever. What I described is my opinion of what we will see with TA2. If SK really wants good relations with it's pilots, it will take a lot more than I described. I'm not convinced this will happen.
I think that we will see exactly what I said, and SK will see what happens. If a turndown of TA2 ends up resulting in a mass exodus from TK and the LCA ranks, then we might actually see some real leverage.
I'm already seeing newhires chomping at the bit for a job at TK and a see a lot of LCAs with hardly more than a turn or two around the sun with United. Those Jr people are unlikely to bail if TA2 fails since they won't really gain anything since many would be reserve CA in their BES or reserve FO in DEN.
Unfortunately, we are likely to have a situation where we don't see a TA that United pilots can vote Yes to unless DL and SWA do the heavy lifting. They've already gone a few rounds with management.
We have yet to schedule a bout in our ring.
I would like for our current management put their $$ where their collective "mouth" is. Do you think they will? I don't.
Turning down this TA will be the proverbial "first punch".
Mgmt will counter with threats. The threats quite likely will come right after TA2 release. We've been waiting for that WB order announcement. That could be the first shoe to drop when they tell us "if you don't vote yes, we won't make the big WB order". You will be threatened. While we are on the "same team", we are not "friends".