Originally Posted by
Zoomie
You sound so confident in TA1 failing.
I don’t disagree with you. I said myself, I would take that bet. I said ALPA National will not.
ALPA knows too much $$ is on the line to take that chance.
And if you don’t think United would get rid of ALPA if TA1 ended up passing, your kidding yourself. That’s the old United, brother. The legacy guys here are already the minority. We have 2000 pilots new this year alone.
Also, if u think TK and LCAs leave if TA1 passes, I think you forgot to read the TA. While their are concessions for TK and LCAs, they also get bigger raises and TK gets a huge raise. It doesn’t mean TK instructors and LCAs wouldn’t be ****ed, but that’s because they know they won’t always be an LCA or instrcutor. They definitely wouldn’t want to work under the TA1 turd as a jr lineholder or a reserve CA.
No one would leave TK and the company would have the United Next they wanted from a training perspective. Sr and med seniority pilots would be ****ed and probably stop picking up OT over the holidays. When they see the new Jr guys getting thr premium pay, the Sr guys would start picking it up again.
New pilots would not be hard to find, we have 500 NEW AC on order due to be delivered in the next 5 years and would have the best payrates for the next year most likely (minus Alaska).
Dont be naive in thinking there’s no chance this turd passes.
Make sure you talk to every single person you know and make sure to share with them why they need to log on and vote no. Remember also that the vote stopped in the middle of the summer and some pilots think TA1 was already cancelled.
This would be the biggest blunder in all of aviation unions, but it still wouldn’t stop training or hiring.
There’s always a chance that TA1 passes, but there’s also a chance that my wife gives me a hall pass, so yes, I’m pretty confident that neither happens.
I don’t see United ever getting rid of ALPA, just the current leadership.
The TK raises might keep angry instructors in place, but the LCA’s would be a major problem, and Kirby knows it. OE students would only get signed off at the end of a trip, not sooner if they are ready, but the big issue is the QC LCA’s. Much of what they do is deadhead around the system doing fed checks on new captains and training new LCA’s on partial trips. Most of those guys aren’t the kool-aid drinking company loyalist that some think they are. If only paid by the leg, a large number of them would either step down or refuse to do line checks. Many of our LCA’s on reserve also have lines built for them where they deadhead around doing random line checks on line pilots. Without these functions being performed, United next would be a mess. I am confident enough to let November 1 come and go. We need to flush this turd and focus on the future. The one good thing that came out of this is that it angered the group and we have had time to see what has gone on at the regionals and now at Alaska. We’re not going to get contract 2000 adjusted for inflation and a pony, but the cost to get to 50% + 1 vote has gone up significantly over what would have got the job done prior to the Tumi TA.