Originally Posted by
Hedley
There’s always a chance that TA1 passes, but there’s also a chance that my wife gives me a hall pass, so yes, I’m pretty confident that neither happens.
I don’t see United ever getting rid of ALPA, just the current leadership.
The TK raises might keep angry instructors in place, but the LCA’s would be a major problem, and Kirby knows it. OE students would only get signed off at the end of a trip, not sooner if they are ready, but the big issue is the QC LCA’s. Much of what they do is deadhead around the system doing fed checks on new captains and training new LCA’s on partial trips. Most of those guys aren’t the kool-aid drinking company loyalist that some think they are. If only paid by the leg, a large number of them would either step down or refuse to do line checks. Many of our LCA’s on reserve also have lines built for them where they deadhead around doing random line checks on line pilots. Without these functions being performed, United next would be a mess. I am confident enough to let November 1 come and go. We need to flush this turd and focus on the future. The one good thing that came out of this is that it angered the group and we have had time to see what has gone on at the regionals and now at Alaska. We’re not going to get contract 2000 adjusted for inflation and a pony, but the cost to get to 50% + 1 vote has gone up significantly over what would have got the job done prior to the Tumi TA.
Funny, I don’t know what color tint in your glasses. Not quite rose or black colored but they are definitely selectively tinted. Like stated by previous poster, the new LCA pay rate will go into effect, but the pay for DH won’t change till it benefits the company.
Newhires after 1 year are already lining up for TK instructors and LCAs have already been backfilled. We already had 4 new QCA LCAs on the 737 who backfilled 2 previous positions by very experienced LCAs with 3/4 very inexperienced LCAs(One with 0 LCA experience and another with a month or 2)
Funny u mention OE students getting signed off at the end of a trip…That’s actually current modus operandi. LCAs were told not to try and sign off a student trip per company policy.
The backlog was fixed recently with the Sept drawdown.
Do u really think QC LCAs would be an issue, you don’t understand pilots at all( are u in current ALPA leadership or been off the line for a decade?). As soon as any QC LCA resigns there will be 100s of LCAs who would be happy to fill those positions.
I would never say LCAs are kool aid drinkers, but they aren’t faced with a strike here, this is the choice to train pilots for growth. Unless they are just tired/exhausted they won’t resign, and if they do, they will be replaced by much less experienced LCAs.
The only thing I’m arguing here is I don’t think the vote will close Nov 1st.
There is way too much on the line to leave this up to chance.
At this point, what does ALPA gain with a 90% no vote? Nothing. The company conceded they think it was bad based on market conditions for pilots.
The vote will get pushed back to either continue negotiations or to put together the videos and PowerPoints to sell TA2. If it goes to a vote, UAL ALPA has to know it will pass by an overwhelming majority.
Only my opinion, I don’t profess insider info.