Originally Posted by
BKbigfish
I don’t know why you can’t just come to terms with the fact that two things can be true at once. Our 1st year pay should be higher AND the only reason management is at the table right now is because our 1st year/training pay is so horrendous. What do you suggest we do? Agree to let management just raise 1st year pay? Lol c’mon man just concede defeat here. Stop trying to make the argument that we would have just as much or more leverage right now if we had industry average 1st year pay. We wouldn’t. It doesn’t make it right but it also is the main reason we’re even having discussions with management right now. It is what it is. Now we can argue about what the right thing is to do at the negotiating table for 1st year guys going forward (I agree with you we need to take care of them) but for you to continue to twist yourself into a pretzel and try and convince everybody that 1st year pay isn’t the only reason that management is at the table right now is just ridiculous.
I’m equally puzzled why you and others like you can’t even address the question of whether or not this supposed tactic is effective. AS has a new contract. I don’t particularly like some of their QOL issues, but their management certainly came to the table and their payscales are far superior to NK. B6 has an attrition problem and their payscales are superior to ours - again without screwing over their newbies. The Big Four all have payscales above ours and are in active negotiations - all without screwing over their newbies. So what evidence is there that we wouldn’t be at the negotiating table if we weren’t screwing over our newbies?
As I have repeated, “How long does this have to not work before you’ll concede it’s not going to work?”
Even more puzzling is this; if you and the others actually believe the path to success in negotiations is screwing over our junior troops, why do you get so upset when I say we are screwing over our junior troops? If indeed the intention is to deter people from coming to NK or to increase first year attrition by treating them like cr@p, I would think you would want someone pointing out to potential new hires on a continuing basis that they will be making sort of minimum wage training pay, have no insurance, and pointing out to new hires how much better newbies are treated elsewhere to deter people from being recruited and to increase first year attrition. If all of you are so damn sure you are doing the right thing, why do you get so upset when I point out exactly what you ARE doing?
If you really believe that’s the way to go, it seems like my efforts could only assist you.