Im with you. Retro is a very important part of this negotiation. It needs to be high enough as to tell management that they’re still going to pay us eventually, no matter how long they drag their feet in negotiations, and that they aren’t saving any money in the long run. We’ve had guys retiring for 3 years while this has been going on, some aren’t due much, but more than half of the retirees are due a substantial sum of money and I’ll vote to see that they get it. The only thing I’ll accept in leu of full and substantial retro is CPI calculated pay raises that increase in perpetuity after the amendable date so we never find ourselves three years past the amendable date with pay rates that were negotiated 7 years earlier.