Originally Posted by
Mitch Rapp
I think it will depend on the rest of our TA. I reserve judgement on the Delta AIP until the actual language is published. I do trust their MEC more than ours but as we all know the devil is in the details.
If we get 13/5/5/5 with Delta sick time and all the other apparent improvements in their AIP we will still
be behind where we should be considering inflation, past cuts, etc. So, to agree to 13/5/5/5 would unacceptable in my opinion.
The TUMI TA was so bad that just about anything looks acceptable. Let’s stop selling ourselves short.
Originally Posted by
hummingbear
Are you saying you’re willing to allow the company to use the LOA 5% as credit toward current section 6? That’s one of the major failings that sunk TUMI. That 5% was already bought & paid for by United pilots & in the backlash to an awful contract proposal, our union is on record as saying we won’t accept a deal that is artificially lower by 5% because of our LOA raise. I’ve been saying all along, TA2 must exceed inflation on its own on DOS. 13% won’t cut it unless there are some major changes to trip credit calculations, etc. If you want to match Delta by giving your LOA raise back to the company, I think you’re in the minority; but maybe some other folks here can sound off on the question.
First no way our pay rates will end up 5% higher than Delta's so, yes, the percent for us will be less and MUST be because AGAIN . . . no way we end up 5% over Delta.
Imagine if you will we get a 13/5/5/5 offer with no concessions, minor QOL gains, and a bump in some non-tax areas. Then UAL pilots vote it down. Months pass and we approach a release date. The potential for a strike becomes front page news in all the media outlets. Just happened to the railway workers, and they got a contract imposed on them by Congress with one extra day off and a 24% raise. So you guys think we can turn down 34% in total raises and Congress will let us strike for more?
Personally I don't think that is remotely possible, and I pray to God most pilots realize that as well. Fortunately, I think they do and will go on record here taking a WAG that the Delta AIP will become a TA and will get voted in 70/30 or higher.