I was at NATCO for some sim training the past two weeks and there are still black/blue suiters with red ties, roaming the hallways...I doubt that'll be the case much longer...If you don't have a class date with a major, I don't think you will be flying for them in '09...that's just my guess...although when oil goes back down to $30 a bbl (like it was in '01), they'll all hire again, haha!!!