Originally Posted by
captnate702
Your answer was the same talking points that I’ve gotten from AR’s videos and recently from a steward. The more union reps and AR try to explain the less convincing it becomes. Alaska just went to PBS and yet no staffing model and no limit on unstack - and they’re using Navblue. Spirit recently went to Navblue: no staffing model.
Something is not adding up and when that happens by BS radar goes off.
We don’t need the most pilot friendly scheduling system in the entire world (zero unstack) - that’s not what any pilot I’ve spoken to is expecting from the contract. We just don’t want a garbage home grown spreadsheet.
Again, haven’t heard a single explanation as to why the above paragraph makes any sense.
I definitely don't know the intricacies of every other airline's PBS (you do?) and I don't have any talking points. At this point, you sound like you are being obstinant just to be a contrarian. However, I did look at the two places you listed (NK & Alaska).
There wasn't any actual information in Spirit's contract dealing with the PBS and their PBS LOA was still in the gather information phase (i.e. still in the RFP phase). I'm assuming they worked the details out later. If you have access to that stuff, let me know. I'd gladly look it over to educate myself. Their contract does discuss staffing, but like the other ULCCs lacks a lot of detail. It lists generalities not a specific formula like United. In general Spirit staffs for Known Flying + Reserve Coverage + Sick Leave + Union Leave + Training + Vacation (floating/annual) + Special Projects. So they have a model, just not as specific as United. Again, nothing I saw specifically discussed any level of unstacking. If you have something that says 100% unstacking, I'm interested.
As far as Alaska goes, it looks like they handle the manning issue (for PBS) utilizing an average line value and cap. All I have access to is their Executive Summary, maybe there is more information in the actual TA language. Their Executive Summary does list Stack Heights, but no language or clarification as to what those are (and may not even be the same thing). Pre-TA, their staffing looked much like Spirit's except Alaska specified 10% reserve coverage. (i.e. Projected Hours + Vacation + Sick + LOAs + Training/Instructors + etc)
I am curious since you are so "skeptical." How would you handle schedules and being screwed by the company without 0% unstacking or a staffing model? Our company consistently understaffs. If they have access to 100% unstacking they will continue to do so to the extreme. They will 100% use that as a reason to lower manning from what we have now (for the equivalent amount of flying).
You "question" a lot and your BS radar is going off, but you don't actually offer a solution to the issue. I'd also like to see the full language of Spirit & Alaska's PBS and staffing that you referenced in your response. I try to be as educated as I can, please share.