Originally Posted by
akulahunter
Rumor on the street is that the company didn't show up one of the days and didn't have anything for the union on the second day.
Just curious about what you think ALPA would do differently. If the company says we are worth JB's four-year-old contract with essentially current work rules, what is ALPA going to do? No union can make the company agree to a deal. That's not how it works. Also, ALPA bought off on Spirit's crappy deal and United's/Alaska's as well. No thanks to any of those.
I have never called you any name. I thought we were having a logical back-and-forth discourse about an issue that neither of us is an expert on. Maybe I was wrong.
Well it's been touched on a few times since you said this, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. We all got that holiday teamster's magazine. Anybody see any mention of airlines? Nope, just some clowns at amazon, baristas and UPS drivers. IBT is not the union you want representing you in our industry. All that chest bumping sh*t may work with these $15 an hour blue collar workers, but it doesn't work here. ALPA has numerous flaws, but at least their war chest can pay for people that have the knowledge to at least know the difference between Boeing and Airbus.
Originally Posted by
captnate702
See below for why i responded the way i did. I wasn't the one that started talking about unstacking and PBS. I was asking questions about AR's video. I only brought it up here and else where after AR went on about it in his video.
My original concern was that unstacking/stacking was going to be the last thing left and it was going to turn into a d*ck measuring contest between AR and MG and we the pilots would lose. I hope i am wrong. that would be terrible for the pilot group. But AR's video and what i'm hearing is that unstack is still hard impasse. If that is true then then we will be the losers. We will never be released if we demand something nobody in the industry has and alternatively if AR digs in his heels then we'll be stuck watching videos til 2026 at least.
Even the union has said that the company keeps upping their retirement/rates each time they send section 3 and 4. Per union whispers, MG is offering DC for retirement (15%), the rates started with Suncountry plus, but are now closer to Alaska with a ULCC discount. That is not going to get it done, but that's a lot of movement from MG in less than 6 months because the market is going to determine the rates. No ULCC discount. Per union whispers MG has stopped telling the union that allegiant gets a discount because we are a ULCC. my crystal ball (and some of this optimistic thinking) is that at some point MG will be forced to pay us, the market is gonna force him to and MG is gonna realize that is the only way this thing gets voted in.
The work rules will have to be standardized with the industry. no more moving raps all over the place and jerking reserves down in FL. even though a lot of reserves have a good gig, the reserves in FL get screwed way way way too often and that has to be fixed. we also need the ability for a pilot to sit long call, so stupid that scheduling doesn't use that today. we should demand that at least some reserves are long call, that could make life a whole lot better for reserves in FL and other big bases (IWA/LAS).
A lot of the other work rules for line holders aren't that different from other carriers on paper. crew services just ignores the work rules that we have, but those work rules are industry standard (extensions, reassignments, open time, trip trades, etc. are all pretty standard crew services just ignores them - not sure we need "better" work rules we just need a lot of our current work rules to be followed).
Just my two cents...
I'm truly worried that we've got two ego maniacs negotiating against each-other, not for their respective groups. AR is more focused on looking pretty in his infomercials (which lack any significant information) than he is getting us a solid contract. "A" for effort, "F" for execution. MG is MG, there needs to be zero explanation there. I really really hope our assessment isn't just buying steak dinners for the d*ck measuring contest between those two, but every passing day I lose a little more faith.
Originally Posted by
captnate702
I'm not sure if that is good or bad? it looks like the blind leading blind. I have no idea who's done what on management side except for googling linkedin profiles.
who on our team have been in negotiations before? isn't it just Hegland - and he's the one that negotiated our current contract so that's not very comforting. AR, Kenny, Valenzuela, Jay and Josh haven't - i don't believe - ever been in negotiations before. Maybe i'm wrong. i know our culinary attorney has negotiated contracts just nothing RLA related.
We've got the freshman starting on the varsity squad because nobody else showed up to play. Our exco is so in over their heads it isn't even funny. I HOPE they read this and prove me wrong, I'll be the first to buy them a beer. At the end of the day, if my doctor, tax-preparer, portfolio manager do a sh*t job, I light a fire or fire them. It should be no different than with our ELECTED exco. Our culinary attorney is another prime example of why IBT is trash, do we really think any ALPA group is being represented at the table by anybody who doesn't talk aviation contract in their sleep?
https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/20...bor-relations/
DM was a consultant for F&H and then left to be SVP at Atlas. no idea if he quit first and then went to Atlas or what. maybe you know what he was thinking when he left allegiant high and dry.
This is something we can 100% agree on.
Add me to this one, 100% agree.