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Old 01-12-2023, 05:56 AM
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BrianH
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Originally Posted by PurpleTail View Post
Lets try to give our NC the benefit of doubt, they have been working tirelessly to get a ratifiable contract to the Membership. Extensive polling has been conducted and the membership has been consistent and clear that retirement improvements is the number one priority since day 1 and that any pancake plan is not ratifiable so put that rumor in a grave. 8 No's from the union to the company, 15 total passes back and forth on retirement. Thats how many times the company tried to low ball us but the union pushed back. We have to read this agreement, once it gets to us, and judge it in its totality. Yes, I have my own show stoppers but I also have some discretion and wiggle room on other areas. Covid created a lot, I mean A LOT, of unusual one off scenario's that you don't see during normal operation and definitely not during a slow down like we are experiencing. I've been here over 20+ years and have lived through many booms and busts, its the nature of our business so just please, keep an open mind. We have almost 6,000 pilot, that means 6,000 different opinions, objectives, priorities and years left on property...there is no such thing as a one size fits all perfect contract.

Retirement was a costly big ticket item for the company so if the number comes in at or better than expected then I might have some flexibility in expected pay rates, but if retirement comes in below my expectations it'll have to be made up with better pay rates. Will be very difficult to get both but hoping for the best.

IN UNITY!
I am going to have to pile on here a bit.

I agree the NC has worked very hard, for that I am thankful. But just because you work hard doesn't mean you did well. Results matter. SHOW ME THE MONEY.

And by that I want more money in EVERY section possible. I will not be happy nor vote for a TA that has one thing fixed and the rest below expectations. WE HAVE EARNED THE BEST CBA IN THE INDUSTRY. PERIOD.

So I asked the NC Chair a question yesterday. I said, you said you are going for a 50% replacement ratio in our pension. And you have said you TAd section 28 without knowing the pay rates. SO either you you reached for a very high FAE like $530K (our current formula limit) or you tied our pension to pay rates like PSPP. Care to comment? After five or so minutes talking, his answer was "no" he was not going to answer. I fear PSPP in some form is back. And I fear all new hires will be forced into the "new" pension.


About your one size does not fit all, I have to disagree. Wa are labor. We must think more collectively. I have to think about the new hire, the ones who are out on LTD, domestic flyers, international flyers, pilots who get secondary lines, pilots who are about to retire, pilots who are getting divorced, pilots who just go t married, In short, I have to worry about all pilots and so should you. We must stand together or we will be divided and conquered.

When we stood shoulder to shoulder on Democrat, no one asked us which section we were most concerned with so they could put us in the right part of the line. WE were ALPA standing for ALL of us, carrying all of our concerns. We have to do the same when it comest to supporting our contract.

NO CONSESSIONS.


Anything less is capitulation.
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