Originally Posted by
ShyGuy
We are the union. We're one entity. If we sold out, they sold out. You don't agree with that, but that's my take.
Your second point contradicts your third point. You just said they don't negotiate in good faith, don't care, etc, but now in the third paragraph you say why wouldn't they bump us up?
This is all guessing on your end. That when Delta has 337, AS would trip to give you 320. Maybe, maybe not. So the 18% would have liked to have directed our NC to STALL our negotiations to wait and see somebody else go first. This is what we call being Monday morning quarterback.
I'm aware, we make up the union. The LEC, MEC and NC are there to represent us and act in accordance with our wishes. They don't make unilateral decisions without our imput. So when you say the only reason we're not making $280/hr is because the NC negotiated a better deal, you're wrong. WE, the pilot group, said $280/hr was an insult. THEY, the NC, went back to the company and told them WE, the pilot group, weren't having it. That's how that works.
Why do you conflate voting no for a CBA because it doesn't reflect our full value with stalling contract talks? I didn't say anything about stalling. I have been a NO vote since I saw the AIP based on the content of the AIP. Had we voted no and sent it back, would we have benefited from DAL setting the benchmark two months later? Yes, Much like UAL and AA are going to benefit. But that's not the reason we should have sent it back. It should have gone back because it didn't fully reflect our value.
My second and third paragraph go hand in hand. No, AS doesn't negotiate in good faith. They only act when forced. A no vote from us is bad PR on the heels of a lot more bad PR. Add in DALs new numbers and AS would then be in a situation of being forced to up their offer. Just like they were forced by Javits during the JCBA because AA gave 6%. UAL and AA managements have publicly acknowledged they have to up their offers to better reflect the new landscape.
Im sure you recognize this and only arguing for the sake of arguing but, whatever blows your hair back.