Originally Posted by
tom11011
To switch gears on the topic and respond to yours, even with a great contract, I am not sure we can survive at our size with what is coming, we have to acquire or be acquired. People forget we do not even reach the peak of the attrition problem for another 3-4 years, then after that its 5 more years of what we are seeing today. The home every night thing is great for our little boutique airline running with 20 year old airplanes that are paid in full, but if there is nobody here to fly them I am not sure it matters much.
Let's be clear. Allegiant will have no problem finding people to occupy the seats. They'll just lower their standards. There will always be some industry reject with a record of terminations, bent metal, and legal trouble who needs a job and will stay here as a CA. There will always be fresh faced CFIs who need time and want to skip the regionals and come here as an FO. This is what commuter airlines like Great Lakes, Trans States, and Mesa looked like back in the 1990s. It increases training and administrative costs, and degrades safety, but the metal still moves. As long as you avoid a big smoking hole on the teaser of Fox News, the boomers will keep buying tickets. Question is whether current pilots want to be a part of that kind of company?
Originally Posted by
captnate702
We proposed a min % of trips must be day trips, management rejected it and sources say it hasn't been brought up since. If there is min% of trips must be day trips then that is a difficult thing to "ignore" when its a number that can easily be quantified. Similar to min # of days in a month, etc.
Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...
Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...
Originally Posted by
captnate702
I agree its ridiculous that management isn't agreeing to any of the things that actually matter - no disagreement here. No contract even gets voted without some LTD.
I'm not saying my 25 pilots were a representative sample, but you sure as hell don't need a third of the population to respond for a poll to be representative. Pollsters frequently sample less than 1-2% of a population and get incredible results - so long as the people being sampled are representative. I admit that the 25 ppl i spoke with are not representative of the entire group, but I am telling none of them are worried about a TAFB rig, or duty rig, unstack, etc. what they want is security of the day trips and the bases they are living in. Forcing MG to agree to a min % of day trips would provide some of that security (not all of it).
Originally Posted by
captnate702
Union proposed a min % of day trips as part of the contract. that is how you get the guarantee. Union is obviously aware of this and working to get it in the contract (from what I'm hearing, this is a line in the sand for some on the NC and E Board).
Originally Posted by
captnate702
Exactly: that’s day trips. I’m in the same boat. If I’m living in base but my trips are 4-5 days then living in base is WAY less important because I’m still spending 35% of my life in a crummy airport hotel.
Let’s get those day trips codified and protected.
Originally Posted by
captnate702
There are some on the NC and E Board that will never accept a deal that doesn't include a min % of day trips. I believe them when they say this is a line in the sand that will not be compromised. Time will tell.
You're a fool. You're in the top 20% and you only care about your % being taken care of. As long as they guarantee 20% day trips, and your above that, you're fine with it. You'll happily throw the pilots behind you under the bus, as long as you get what you want. Everyone can see that. You're clueless, aloof, and out of touch. You're also running scared at this point. Those rabble rousing kids are going to ruin this great thing you have going here if they don't shut up, sit down, and quit rocking the boat. Amiright?
Originally Posted by
rdneckpilot
there is no way to guarantee day trips. All you can do is negotiate pay premiums for multi day trips to create a financial incentive to the company for day trips. No management team would ever sign a contract that inhibits their ability to operate the airline as you suggest.
Originally Posted by
tailendcharlie
They would make the pilots pay for any such "guarantee" with lower benefits QOL and/or pay elsewhere. Pay and benefits that would be written into the agreement and last for the duration. Meanwhile still waiting on that PBS.....
No thanks.
Originally Posted by
TangoIndiaMike1
The surprise here is if you went this route then the work rules would be so bad that you would get paid %50 for being pilot monitoring while being junior maned into your day off. But hey you have nice pay and no work rules.
Exactly. The price would be so high that no one would want to work here any more due to the other concessions needed. Management knows that's their greatest prize, and they won't sell it for cheap.
Originally Posted by
Squeakygreaser
I agree. I can take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed. Any one who has worked at Allegiant should know that those types of guarantees mean nothing. The way to incentivize the company to have more day trips is to pay a lot more for overnight trips. Then at least the pilots who are losing on the schedule gain on the money. Who gets paid when the company violates the percent of day trips? Does that just get paid out to those that filed a grievance? no thanks.
The only leverage the pilots have is to vote with their feet. This company will never respect you. They will begin violating this contract the day after it's signed, and Andrew will do another LED lighted video telling you to file more grievances. Wash, rinse, repeat. Don't you get it? Andrew is on the take. This is a symbiotic relationship they have. Company gets cheap labor and unlimited contract violations. Andrew gets a cushy job where he gets paid $300,000 a year to live at home and play union boss mafia guy.