Originally Posted by Shorttimer2

I would like to disagree here, if the advice is live within your means I would that’s solid advice. I have seen so many guys/gals who are quite comfortable sitting in the pocket: happy to have the job they would say; happy to flying shinny jets; and hanging in there until better terms come along if you just wait long enough. People are often reluctant to change course even in the face of overwhelming facts or the reality and conditions indicating things aren’t okay. Numbers don’t generally lie! Go where you are treated best! Always try to look at the reality without emotion and make a decision on the facts in front of you. Many say how unhappy guys are at Fedex and UPS. But their terms/pay are so good, rarely does anyone leave. Is there rough waters at those places today, yes; but most if not all have done really well financially. Think about that and what it says. Last year Atlas had 478 pilots leave, this year Atlas is already up to 70. Numbers rarely lie! You may choose to ignore reality to your detriment, I certainly have and many still will. But some of you will certainly make better choices if you can, all things considered for you and your family.

John D. and his C-suite cohorts are not losing sleep at all. Why? They negotiate the best terms and conditions for themselves up front. They receive massive compensation packages and parachutes if they are fired or not fired, company succeeds or doesn’t. There is no down side risk for them, they just move on to the next company with probably equal or better terms. I hardly think John accepts or banks on MG and happy just to fly shinny jets and hope. You say maybe, well they work long hours and really hard. Well, when you’re paid really well people tend to work hard and put up with a lot crap. This is why FedEx never has to worry about its pilots leaving or UPS. Labor only has leverage during certain periods of time and certainly the corporations have hollowed out many laws that protected labor in having leverage to negotiate or get better terms; arbitration being one of those items corporations use. Look at the disclaimers on this forum and the list of things the corporations have dictated [you labor] you can’t do or say. Many of these things are designed specifically against you and your ability to negotiate better labor terms the way John and his Davos elite friends want it. They want you scared and complaint especially when it comes to leaving or saying enough is enough. C-suite always wants you to be complaint, accept the minimum scraps and pump you with sunshine about how there will be better day if you just hang in there squirrel away your scraps into a 401k with ridiculous rates and fees. The idea is always for you to be happy with less, just enough oxygen for you to survive and come back to work the next day.

If you are young enough and the sun is still high in the sky. Don’t be scared to take a chance. You don’t know how long it is before Chatgpt starts flying these jets and that’s the end of our gigs; I will be retired but…... Play big win big or lose big. Nothing ventured nothing gain. Life is an adventure to be lived everyday, play it on hard mode. Sure is there down side risk, sure. Not many people on their death bed ever said I played it really safe and had the time of my life. Go where you are treated best and squirrel away cash for the turn or furlough.