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Old 04-01-2023 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
The approved flight training program under 14 CFR 61.51(e)(1)(iv) is a program which is specifically approved for the purpose, such as a program for training someone in airline operations.

If you break 61.51(e)(1)(iv) down, it contains several requirements:

61.51(e)(1)(iv)(A): the person performing the duties of PIC must hold a commercial or ATP pilot certificate, appropriate to category and class: airplane, multi-engine land, or airplane, multi-engine sea)

AND

61.51(e)(1)(iv)(B): the person performing the duties of PIC must be undergoing an approved pilot in command training program (eg, airline type program).

It's the first requirement above, 61.51(e)(1)(iv)(A), which specifies that the person logging the time under 61.51(e)(1)(iv) must have a pilot certificate that is appropriate to both category (here, airplane) and class (here, multi-engine land or sea, as appropriate). Specific to your question, a person logging time under this regulation must already hold a multi-engine rating. Training toward the multi-engine rating is not pilot in command experience, even if it's part of an approved program. The requirement is category, and class. Category is airplane, and the class is multi engine (land, or sea).

It sounds like you're cherrypicking the regulation, meaning that you're looking to choose either 61.51(e)(1)(iv)(A) OR 61.51(e)(1)(iv)(B). If you read the regulation, both (A) AND (B) are requirements for logging time under 61.51(e)(1)(iv).
Thanks for your explanation. I was hopping you would weigh in as I've read a lot of your posts and consider your comments as the most informative regarding legal interpretations on the FAR's. Its disappointing in that I believe it is in some sense counter productive in producing a quality aviator as 61.63 is pretty permissive in what they allow for a class add on. Paragraph (b) doesn't ask a lot and many prospective ME pilots can get the add on with minimal flight time. If 61.183 didn't have the PIC requirement of the 15 hours flight time, then (I) would have no problem with a 10 hour training towards the ME. As it stands now, I will have to buy 15 hours of ME (which agreed could all be training towards the MEI) but I would have rather had him getting better at flying the AC while in the initial ME course.
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