Originally Posted by pinseeker

No, I think that it is mind bottling that those who profess to know the importance of scope and know that ours is below industry standard are just now chiming in. Didn't you read the contract before, or are you just now reading it? Raj hasn't said they are outsourcing everything they can. I am not going to get into specifics, but you really need to look at what was said. It isn't all doom and gloom. Just because an airline has 24 pages in Section 1 doesn't mean it has better scope. Saying that there are block hour ratios doesn't mean that their scope is protecting their jobs. You could argue that a ratio based flight hour scope means that more main line jobs will be lost than regional jobs. I don't know, nor do I care, what those ratios are, but thinking that is going to protect all mainline flying shows little imagination regarding what a company could do.

No one is saying to shut up and color or that you need to give something to get something. What I am saying is know the risk and reward of how you vote. These are negotiations, not a hold up. You can't demand that the company hands over their wallet.

Linepilot63, sorry that the company told you what they did about future hiring and movement. Not sure that is their fault though. Do you think they did that maliciously? Do you think any airline tells their new hires that things are about to turn here, so you better leave now?

Don't put you mad before your money. Don't create a problem that isn't there. This too shall pass.