Depends on which TA 2 you're referring to.

Herb wasn't around for the last 2, but the answer to that question, every time, is that the pilot group was perfectly happy accepting industry lagging contracts.

Apparently, the polling data (right before the last one was put out for a vote) indicated that pilot group, as planned, had succumbed to negotiation fatigue, hence a TA2 that fell around $1B short of our minimum ask. The upside was that we actually netted some major improvements, (instead of conceding stuff with nothing in return),which hadn't happened since 2002.

The results speak for themselves, and sadly, I fear it will be repeated this time around.

The results of the SAV will be telling.