Originally Posted by threeighteen

Bump and flush is how seniority and this industry works, and how this company worked until 2015.

If someone was holding out for 777 FO and someone junior to them gets it instead, that's significantly more tragic. Their seniority was violated because someone junior to them was in the right place at the right time. It's not right.

Bump and flush is the nature of the biz. Just like furloughs. You need to be ready for both.

Originally Posted by threeighteen

Yes I do.

Here's how other airlines do displacement bids:

Starting at the top, you get keep your seat unless you can no longer keep your base/equipment/seat. If you can't keep your base/equipment/seat, then you get to bid for ANY seat that your systemwide seniority can still hold. If you end up bumping someone out of that seat, then they get to bid for whatever base/equipment/seat they can hold, and if they bump someone, then the same thing happens. It's the only fair way to do it that honors seniority.

Your argument supports these two F'd up things that are currently happening here:

"because a certain seat that a senior pilot could have held wasn't their first choice, they should be stuck with whatever has vacancies while pilots junior to them get to hold what was the senior pilot's second choice on the last bid"

"because someone hired 3 years ago waited to hold a certain base/equipment seat (lets say 777FO) instead of bidding 757 captain, a pilot junior to them that bid 757 captain should get 777 FO before them"

Because we basically gave up displacement bids with the 2015 and everything is now a system bid both of those things are happening under the current system and that is beyond screwed up. What if the senior pilot never even got to train on the seat they wanted due to the screwed up nature of our bidding/training? Now they are getting pushed out out of that and can only go to seats that have vacancies... while the junior pilot gets to keep a seat that their seniority honestly can't hold and your only argument for them keeping it is "well that should have been the senior pilot's first choice...." if you can't see how F'd up that is you need help.

It would be one thing to allow a junior pilot to keep a seat that a senior pilot passed up for QOL on a normal system bid, but on a bid where base/equipment/seat are being eliminated and pilots are getting kicked out of their number one choice, it's not the same; and once again, if you can't see that, you need help.