Originally Posted by
NotMrNiceGuy
Why are you trolling? I come from a UPS family and my PE is now at Brown.
Second, no major passenger airlines furloughed during COVID. And they definitely didn’t furlough in June 2022. That’s not even a year ago.
But regarding your argument… FedEx in your words was negotiating during the “best time ever to leverage for an industry leading contract”. UPS was performing even better and achieved pay rates only marginally above a dismally performing passenger group contracts that were completed 6 years prior. It’s incongruent that you think we had a great environment and they only come out with marginal gains. Which is it? If it was indeed great, then they should have something to show for it? Are you happy with a top rate of $401 in 2025? I’m pretty sure I know the answer.
Mind you, this was during a highly inflationary environment with record profits and white-hot pilot market. They even had the leverage of the Teamsters strike looming some 12 months away. UPS pilots need to do what’s best for them But they were the only group satisfied with a 6.8% pay increase in that time period. It was lacking then, and it’s lacking now. It’s not directed as spiteful towards anyone; it’s just my opinion. Just because I think the lie-flat seat agreement in the last CBA was a mistake doesn’t mean we are a poor pilot group for letting it pass. It was just that…a mistake. And I thought that UPS could’ve done better. It’s not personal. Just business.
He doesn't seem to understand that there were two separate extensions. First one, sure, yeah no brainer. That vote was happening right around March/April 2020 if I recall. United secured 4a2b type language, delta let junior guys go NOQ with pay that covered benefits and then some, but it's easier to keep that head buried in the sand and stick to the "BuT yOu'Ll GeT fUrLoUgHeD," slogan around here.
No one else took your post as anything other than constructive criticism for the UPS group. It is possible to think highly of something, want it/them to succeed, and still be critical of it. Seems like a foreign/potentially new concept around here though given how offended some of our guys get if/when you bring up anywhere having something potentially better than what we have though.