Originally Posted by
tennisguru
I just ran some basic, dirty numbers through an investment calculator. Both cases were run starting with a $0 balance and a hypothetical $1000 DC excess per month, for 25 years.
For the MBCBP, I assumed the whole $1000 would go in at a 5% annual rate of return. That yielded $585k after 25 years.
For the non-MBCBP, I assumed $600 going into the investment, so a 40% loss to taxes and dues. With the 25 year time horizon, it takes an 8.5% annual rate of return to match the $585k of the MBCBP. Obviously the better you do over 8.5% the less sense the MBCBP makes. A 10% return nets you $740k. 11% is $864.
With a 30 year time horizon, a 7.8% return beats the MBCBP. At 15 years you'd need 11.25%, and a someone with a 10 year horizon needs 15%.
None of my calculations take into account dividend/capital gains taxes along the way for the non-MBCBP, but that's probably closer to a wash when you factor in that the MBCBP account will be taxed as ordinary income on withdrawals. And of course if the MBCBP fails to average 5% that makes it much easier to beat over the long term.
it’s a good start but we also have to make an assumption of taxes on the withdrawals of the MBCBP as it’s simply deferring taxes. What is your assumption as to tax rate upon withdrawal and how does that change the equation? Perhaps we can use the ever popular 4% withdrawal rate?