Originally Posted by
Sunvox
I am not sure your post proves what you think it does.
Someone from Delta correct me if I am mistaken, but the truth is at Delta the schedulers don't need a reason to reassign someone, but at least now they get paid . . . well at least starting in August. At United there are numerous but specific conditions that can trigger a reassignment most of which you listed. If you have not had one of those "triggered" reasons then you are "untriggered" and paid enormously well.
I was untriggered twice as a 777 FO going from TLV to HKG and it ended up being about equal to a whole months pay. It's 225% of the new trip plus pay for working on a day off PLUS you get the day off back. As I understand it Delta does NOT restore lost days off for lineholders even in the new contract.
Here are some items we have better than Delta. Some of these items are what I would consider "huge".
We can refuse to extend FAR 117 duty time and if we extend sometimes we get paid; at Delta the culture is to NEVER refuse, and the don't get paid extra.
We have IRO lines; they do not.
We get our days off restored; they do not.
We have defined minimum days off for lineholders; they do not.
Our SC callout is defined; theirs is "promptly" and open to company interpretation.
We get meals; they get them sometimes.
Our LTD is tax free; their's is not.
Our LTD pays FOs more than theirs.
I'm not talking about current pay rates as obviously that is a separate issue, and yes there are aspects of their contract that are better than ours, but it's not as "slam dunk" better as some seem to think.
Extensions at DAL have always been optional per the FARs, but it's been considerably streamlined since 2020. Don't extend or fatigue out for operational reasons and pay is 100%, and they can only connect DH back to your trip or release you. Except for the fringe 9:00 hour FAR duty limits, you'll be making 1:1 additional pay for duty time before you get close to an FAR extension in most cases, so the pay to extend thing is moot, and that duty time pay is calculated report to release, unlike the FARs.
LTD is not capped, and pays the DC contribution portion at x2 (currently 32%)
The day off thing. Dunno, looking at the bottom of a couple of category lists, even the most junior NB line holders are getting 16, 17, 18 days off, and even the very high value lines are getting 14. I didn't see any line holders with 12 or 13 days off. Bottom line holder on the 737 FO in ATL got 16 days off. The pilot two senior to him got 18. Now if your minimum number of days off is 12, and a lot of people are at the minimum, then, yea, I could see why that would be a big deal.
If a reserve is flown into his day off, they get the day off back, plus 9 hours. If they voluntarily fly premium (green slip) on a day off, they still get the day off back, plus 9 hours and their pay on their days off is on top of the reserve guarantee.
Reroutes into days off is fairly rare. If it happens, you get double pay for the scheduled last day (including any credit that is due), plus double pay for what you flew on the day rolled into. Come August, you will also get the leg reroute on top of that, so most times reroutes into another day will pay 300% for the day infringed, plus 250-300% for the last scheduled day.
SC is "you get there when you get there". Don't need people trying to kill themselves to make an artificial deadline. Besides, the traffic in NYC going to one of 3 airports can be vastly different than MSP.