Originally Posted by symbian simian

Not having ADG, and having trip averaging helps commuters. That is my opinion. What we have makes having short first and last days economically okay for the company. If they have to pay you at least 5 hours per day, they will fly you at least 5 hours per day. no more late starts, long layovers (but just under 24 obviously) and no more early finishes. And there is plenty of people that say we should get ADG, and should get rid of trip averaging. And if we did that, I think our trips would end up like SWAs. And in my 10 years here, everyone I have talked to has said they don't want to work for SWA. Everyone keeps harping on "3" day 10 hr trips in Vegas. Almost all check in an hour before midnight, and occasionally we have one that starts later. Obviously, those trips would be gone with ADG. But what would appear in their place. I am convinced the red-eyes out of Vegas would depart at 1 am (like at F9s), and land later on the east coast, making them worse, and still pay 10 hours because due to leaving an hour later, they are now magically 2 day trips...... It is fine to hate what you have, and good to fight to change it, but stupid not to consider what would happen if you change it. I am not smarter, but after 33 years in aviation I have seen plenty of unintended consequences.

I think the company would give us ADG and get rid of trip averaging in a heartbeat for red/green/dtz/4day. Those are way above industry leading NVM standard. We need to defend those, and help JB guys see how much they do for us, so they will fight for those too.

You can adjust trips for ADG and averaging, and long stay aso. R/G DTZ 4day will be a cost to them and a gain for us, always, as long as we don't give it up.