Concerns over brand with regards to furlough doesn't seem to big a big concern to management. Their focus seems to be on shareholders and stock buy-back. As far as the CBA options, there's not a whole lot of discussion needed. That's why they're in the CBA. It's already been discussed and agreed upon. If and when the SAM hits the appropriate triggers, the 4A2b and 4A2c provisions will likely be invoked. There are specifics things for the company and the Association to discuss at that point - which is "before furlough". As the MEC chair said in his message today, "the company doesn't share its plans for the over staffing". So until CBA triggers are met, I'm not sure what it is you're expecting ALPA to discuss with the company.