I get it. You don't believe it is possible. That or you retire soon. Fear is very contagious but courage is also. We have all seen the breakdown of yes votes and their corresponding age. I wish more people at FX didn't hold your philosophy. We will NEVER get a good contract if this thought process permeates through the work force and by extension to the negotiating table. "We are worth top tier pay but it is not possible due to the current economic conditions" is a defeatist attitude and is one of the main contributors that make FX ALPA toothless. The doom and gloomers constantly say UAL, DAL, AA, WN will be bankrupt soon and their contract gutted, so that is why we shouldn't negotiate for that. This is probably one of the more absurd arguments I read on here.