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Old 07-29-2023 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
They’re angry because everyone should be getting more. You can see looking at the American agreement that pattern bargaining is a real thing. We need all three legacy carriers to participate to get the most gain. Not only is American not raising the bar, you aren’t even getting some new industry standard gains that the other two airlines have. Crew meals, extended duty pay, your sit pay start at 2:30 while theirs will start at 2 hours, sick leave, etc. Even your profit sharing isn’t pensionable (401k contributions). You managed to get their payrates exactly though to avoid triggering both snap-up clauses. This is what, you’re third or fourth agreement in principle? Yes, the other airline pilots are mad because APA is holding everyone else back.

We want the APA pilots to succeed and lead the industry. We are actually rooting for you guys, but you are failing miserably. At this point, voting it in is probably you’re best option. Maybe next negotiation you guys will contribute to the industry instead of just waiting for Delta and United to pattern bargain up to.
Another OAL know-it-all with wrong info. Profit sharing is pensionable. Sit pay is over 2 hours “scheduled” on UAL AIP, exactly like AA current sit pay. AA new sit will be actual, which is an improvement to current book IMO. Also UAL is 1:3 DOS, AA is and remains 1:2. I prefer AA AIP sick to either of the other two. AA LTD is no question industry leading, why didn’t UAL pattern off of that and improve?

My point, this whining about pattern bargaining on pay rates is retarded. Go away. We certainly have our own **** to work out, but I still wouldn’t trade spots.
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