Originally Posted by
Varks
What is Delta top widebody pay on January 1st 2027? AA is $488/hr. 3% post amendable is a gain, I would grant. But there is also a potential downside in that the company is incentivized to just drag the next contract out.
Who has the best LTD? Are you taking about the "no cap", which affects maybe 5% of those on LTD? Not a huge win, but not nothing either. What WAS AA's LTD before this AIP?
Can Delta or United pilots get two months off in a row paid. Every year. We call it IMAX. DL does not have this, so I can grant that
Are you flying over 85 hours on reserve? NO. It's theoretically possible, but extraordinarily rare (and lots of tools to prevent it in the first place)
Can United and Delta pilots drop down to Zero hours? YES. Though it may be easier at AA, I don't know.
Do United or Delta wide body First Officers go unqualified every three months for lack of landings? Great deal. YES, happens all the time.
Are United or Delta pilots getting $200,000 for unused sick time? No. Another 'win' for AA in certain circumstances. But Again, there are downsides, and DL quickly ramps up to get 240-270 sick hours annually? Pro/Con to both systems.
There is a tremendous amount of nonsense spewed all around. Some contracts are better than others in different areas. Cherry picking certain items from a contract is easy. Unless you are actually working and living a contract you don’t know. Envy and jealousy are no good for you. I would put my career at AA up against any other airline career of a person hired the same day I was.
The entitled generation is strong amongst us. I’ll give you a trophy for your so superior contract if that makes you happier. Good Grief.
Feeling a little defensive? Look, we can nitpick around the edges for some
minor things we all like better about each of our contracts. And that's fine. That will always be the case. And it misses the point
entirely.
So let's be intellectually honest. Any reading of the major parts, and a
lot of minor parts, of UA's, then AA's contract AIP's look
strikingly similar to a DL pilot. You could almost copy/past most of the bullet points, right down to the 'retro' being 4/4/14. And that was only after AA's first AIP was so horrid it's not worth even describing. So give credit where credit is due. Alaska got off to a good start. DL raised the bar significantly. UA then raised it some more (thanks, UA). Hopefully, WN will bring the 737 rates up well above
all of us to bargain against next time. AA got the vast majority of their gains this round through the work of other unions. UA and DL simply want APA to pull some meaningful weight, and are rightfully frustrated about it. That's all.