Originally Posted by
ACEssXfer
I could MAYBE stretch my brain a little and say we matched DAL. Not sure I could get there but it isn't unreasonable. To say we matched UAL is simply not true. Period. APA's email after UAL's AIP had 23 bullet points that they considered industry standard. We achieved 4 of them from our most recent talks. These are not industry leading items they are industry standard. We can't even get to industry standard other than pay rates or other pay related items.
The townhall last night was embarrassing. APA is a peewee town league team playing against the KC Chiefs at the negotiating table. Run over and trampled on.
Edit: There a multiple unchanged items from UAL, DAL, AA that AA will remain industry trailing. Things that UAL and DAL already had but didn't improved in their most recent bargaining. Hotels, etc.
Their argument for a lot of stuff was, "Be careful what you wish for.". Like the extra day off for reserves argument. Apparently Delta and United don't have an 85 hr max limit on reserves. They use FAR max. Our 85 hr max essentially means we can't be used more than 16 days per month, so we're already getting at least 14-15 days off. Of course those are days that can't be pre-bid, but they are days off in the end. There were numerous items that were worse than what we have at DAL and UAL and the company said, OK, you can have that, but then you get all of DAL/UAL's contract and not just the good parts. I am not defending APA and will be one of the first in line to vote for ALPA when and if that time comes.