So first, I'm just the messenger. These are the numbers they used when discussing future hiring. I claim no responsibility for the company's assumptions or plans.

But...with those numbers, that's 5000 new pilots by the end of 2026, minus a little over 1800 mandatory retirements (67 not included...). So yeah, somewhere about 19,000 by then. I wanted to ask what their goal size was, but the conversation drifted away from that topic.