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Originally Posted by Grumble
How are you going to fulfill working hours, how are you going to be full time employed while in a T32 or T10 status, if something happens on the road or you get hurt injured how’s that line of duty investigation gonna go, whose responsible,
If you're on orders for 30+ days, the mil is responsible always, on or off duty. But airline flying isn't any more hazardous than normal weekend activities like sports, motorcycles, skiing. Less actually. Mil won't have an issue on those grounds.

How you do your mil job would be up to you. I *assume* the context of this would be work normal mil days (whatever those are), then get a liberty chit to fly an airline trip on say a weekend. If you can't fly enough to maintain 75 hours or whatever, you'd have to drop down through the usual process.

Actually I think the best (probably only) way to do this would be go on mil leave, and get permission from both parties to pick up trips on mil days off. If the airline has a staff crunch they might let you do it.

Originally Posted by Grumble
how do you maintain 24/7 readiness, recall status, how do you stay in the local area without being on a leave status,
You can get a chit for that, I've signed a gazillion of them for travel, usually on 3-days weekends where 96 hours is granted.

DoD does not require that all SMs stay within 50 miles always, only that the CO has enough folks near enough to the flagpole to cover any contingencies.


Originally Posted by Grumble
if you get stuck on the road or are working airline days on mil work days you’re now defrauding the govt, is your COC even willing to entertain this subject and carry the risk to themselves? I’d tell you to pick one.
Yes, you'd have to re-assure the CO on that stuff. But not really any different from going to Vegas on a weekend liberty chit...if your flight gets canx, you inform the command and get back as soon as you can.

Originally Posted by Grumble
Let’s not even broach the subject of intl travel without approved leave and COC approval.
I'm guessing if you got hypothetical approval to do this it would be domestic only.

Originally Posted by Grumble
Pick one or accept the consequences of playing stupid game. You’re not the first one that’s tried.
The context is with permission. I do think it's an uphill battle, but I'm pretty sure it's technically legal.


Originally Posted by Grumble
Oh and from an airline standpoint, most FOMs restrict outside employment, especially flying. So if you’re gonna try and fly airline while in a military status, while picking and choosing which days you feel like you want to work, don’t plan on being there too long.
The context of the OP was "with permission from both parties".

100% agree that you can't pull this off on the DL, at least not for very long.

Mil flying does not apply towards FAA flight/duty limits. Actual fatigue still matters... if you push that and anything happens, you'd have some 'splainin to do.

Originally Posted by Grumble
That behavior would not be USERRA protected.
Actually it would be in this context. It's not really ethical IMO to manipulate mil schedule for your personal convenience vis a vis the airline schedule.

But if the mil actually pays you (or even grants a non-pay point), it is perfectly legal per USERRA. Basically if the CO has enough mission requirement to compensate you to be there, it's legit.

If the CO allows you to work odd schedules, perhaps because that keeps you home and more available to the mil, that's his business. Airline don't like it? Dial 1-800-USCONGRESS.
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