Originally Posted by
TheMitigator
When the captain bids started being unfilled, they started moving the vacancies to where pilots actuallly want to be based. That will never, ever, ever, ever happen again. Humongous concession, the effect of which we will never even really be able to measure. Everyone has gotten "retro fever" and is turning blind eyes to huge red flags. You think this wont effect you because you are already in the seat/base you want to be in but it will undoubtedly stunt the growth below you.
Its also selling short the future pilots in a huge way, pilots who are forced to upgrade will inevitably be forced into bases they dont want to be in, transferring out to the base where they want to be as a captain will take years instead of the months that it does for their classmates.
A yes vote is selling out yourselves and future pilots. Full stop.
Originally Posted by
TheMitigator
Again, you are both completely missing the point. I guess I am not skilled enough in communicating to get you to understand that this isn't about comparing how hard the olden days were to today. I am fully aware of how long transfers/upgrades used to take. Enjoy your big fat signing bonus and the ignorance of not being able to comprehend what you gave up for it.
Here’s the problem with your argument though - No matter what, someone is getting the shaft. Contract passes = Junior pilots taking the first possible upgrade to captain go to undesirable bases (the horror!). Contract doesn’t pass = The company may move vacancies to more desirable bases. This, by your own admission, stunts the relative seniority for people already in base at those undesirable bases.
The thing is though, anyone who is still in those “undesirable” bases who are senior enough to hold a more “desirable” base are staying for a reason. The reason is that it’s more desirable to *them*. Desirable vs undesirable is a personal choice. Most people don’t find EWR to be an island made of candy where rainbows always shine, but to the many pilots who live on the east coast, they wouldn’t give it up for anything.
Looking at your post history you’ve been here less than a year. So, essentially what you seem to saying is “screw the more senior people with established seniority in their base. I want to ‘get mine’ in a more desirable location”.
Also, looking at your post history, you were throwing similar temper tantrums this time last year when you were at Alaska (and a newbie there as well) when their TA came out and said you’d leave if it passed. Well, apparently you chased the golden ring over to United where it also looks like you’re not going to get what you want. Will you be applying to Delta next? Or, is beating your chest over TAs as a new guy just the thing that you do?