Originally Posted by
Beech Dude
Either way, no. This is completely illegal. Anyone doing it, as mentioned above, will get caught and should face the music accordingly.
Is that something you just heard through the grapevine, or did you actually see it in writing? Was this ran past a JAG?
Originally Posted by
744ButtonPusher
you need to be on leave ANY day you are working for someone other than the military.. doesn’t matter t10 or 32..and doesn’t matter if it’s the weekend or not.
Do you have a reference for that? I've never read, nor did my JAG advise that any of my guys working outside employment must be in a leave status to do so.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
How are you going to fulfill working hours, how are you going to be full time employed while in a T32 or T10 status,
Not all orders are the same. As an example, with our alert guys, they earn A LOT of passes by sitting 24 hours shifts on weekends. They get lots of time off due to our JAG/state approved pass policy. It wouldn't be all that hard to schedule around work, though I think only on the short term...it call catches up over time.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
if something happens on the road or you get hurt injured how’s that line of duty investigation gonna go, whose responsible,
This I can't disagree with and a sticking point that I wondered about. In the end, like all line of duties (the ones I've done anyway), it's very subjective and up to a line of CC's/investigating officers to make the call and HHQ to approve or deny.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
how do you maintain 24/7 readiness, recall status, how do you stay in the local area without being on a leave status,
Lots of places do not have a defined "local area," I know we never did.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
if you get stuck on the road or are working airline days on mil work days you’re now defrauding the govt, is your COC even willing to entertain this subject and carry the risk to themselves?
Depends on the job. If someone was going to miss an alert, they could easily work a trade with a squadron mate. Our guys constantly swap their alert days for conflicts that pop up. This actually isn't all that hard to deal with. The bigger issue here is not breaking the leave reg wrt consecutive days off.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
Let’s not even broach the subject of intl travel without approved leave and COC approval.
Valid point...can get very sticky.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
I’d tell you to pick one.
All the above said, I'm with you here. The CC has the ability to stop it all and I can't see a world where this is a great idea as a long term solution. With our alert/scheduling policy, I'd wager that my old squadron has the best schedule to even attempt such a thing and I just don't see it as a great idea. Eventually your scheduling gymnastics will catch up to you and your co-workers will grow tired of bailing you out. As a young guy, I saw situations like this cause morale/unit cohesion issues.
Furthermore, I just don't see why someone would want to do this. I get first year pay sucks, but it's truly temporary and still insanely good pay. At some point you'll become a "two-job loser," where you end up just making both of your bosses mad lol. My humble recommendation is to either be a true part-timer or drop mloa, makes life so much easier.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
Oh and from an airline standpoint, most FOMs restrict outside employment, especially flying. So if you’re gonna try and fly airline while in a military status, while picking and choosing which days you feel like you want to work, don’t plan on being there too long. That behavior would not be USERRA protected.
The OP specifically mentioned with approval on both ends.
Originally Posted by
Grumble
You should be a JAG, you can get the 4-5 guys I’ve heard of doing this that all got fired an A15’d all their jobs back.
If they lost their jobs and received A15's, then they clearly didn't have the proper approvals, because it can be done.