Originally Posted by
rickair7777
Yalta? That was 80 years ago. And the party which you're referring to has not existed for over 30 years. And we did actually allow the soviets to keep the agreed-to territory... while they actually existed.
Post USSR, there was some *discussion* about limiting the scope of NATO, but certainly no agreements or treaties.
As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap.
You're simply not willing to accept that Europe and NATO are the aggressors here and Russia is trying to protect land that is flat and VERY EASY to roll European ground troops through to Russia. If one stops looking at the Soviet Union/Russia through western propoganda, one would realize that the western world has been the aggressor during the Cold War through today. Soviet/Russian moves have been defensive.
For example, placing missiles in Cuba was a response to US missiles placed in Turkey.
As far as the agreement being 80 years ago, that's COMPLETELY immaterial. 80 years ago in the rest of the world is like last week in a US timeline. And just because the Soviet Union changed its name to Russia, that does not mean that the population there doesn't continue to have great concern over European aggression. Europe has historically been the ones to invade Russia. For the last several hundred years - but I guess that history is lost on you since you consider it to be so long ago. George Santanaya had a quote about history ... Those that cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
I'm no Russophile and I'm definitely not a Putin fan, but pretending like NATO is a benign defensive alliance is beyond the pale.
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
Also, this is Russian propaganda, pure and simple.
BS. You've been brainwashed and fail to look at things through the eyes of others.
Does no one in this forum understand the writings of Sun Tzu?
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”