Originally Posted by
CBreezy
1) No. NATO doesn't hold land. NATO isn't an economic partnership. It is purely a defense agreement which cannot, by definition, be offensive. NATO has no real power or governing authority and is basically the 20th century version of a pinky promise.
2) again. NATO can't invade.
3) I'm not arguing that Russia is strong, especially after their inability to beat a bunch of unorganized commoners in Ukraine. After the previous administration assault on NATO, it had never been closer to dissolving or becoming completely irrelevant. It wasn't until the invasion of a sovereign nation bordering NATO states that NATO unity solidified. And honestly, it wasn't really until the full scale invasion. Western governments appeared to be disinterested in getting involved in the initial invasion into Eastern Ukraine. Oh, and the war crimes..lots and lots of war crimes.
Native American analogy is a giant logical fallacy. A more appropriate analogy would be if the Native Americans were a nation state and the French signed a treaty to provide collective defense for the state. Then the English, mad at the agreement, invaded Canada and blew up schools and apartment buildings to show how tough they were.
You are completely ignoring all of the NATO encroachment into the Russian buffer zone over the last decade. You can state whatever you want about NATO, but they act as a semi-sovereign military. NATO openly provoked Russia for many years. But how convenient that your timeline started the day that Russia opted to protect itself by attacking Ukraine in order to control land that exposes Russia to another European invasion.
NATO can't invade? LOL! They just 'intervene' in conflicts. Like when I was in the mix during the Bosnian war. Not an invasion, an 'intervention'. Same stuff, different verbage.
As for the 'giant logical fallacy', you obviously don't know the history of Europe and Russia. European powers have invaded Russia multiple times over the centuries. But it all happened 'so long ago' that you choose to ignore European aggression.
I spent way too long with access to very sensitive information and high diplomatic channels, watching some of the crap that the US and our allies pulled. As a pilot, I've even flown more than a few missions that were designed to provoke 'bad' countries. And yes, I was once brainwashed, much like you and most westerners are with respect to US/ally provocations and aggression.