Originally Posted by
Andy
the day that Russia opted to protect itself by attacking Ukraine in order to control land that exposes Russia to another European invasion.
Are you really this dumb? A preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation is an act of defense? Sure. Okay, buddy. If Ukraine falls, I'm sure you'd be okay with Russia taking half of Poland too, because Russia deserves "buffer zones" according to you.
And the "buffer zones" you speak of are sovereign nations that can choose to align themselves with the West if they so choose. The Soviet Union is no more, and former Soviet states are sovereign nations (except for maybe Belarus), but your facile reading of "history" somehow overlooks this fact.
Occam's razor would explain Russia's invasion as an imperialistic land/power grab, but I can tell you're well-practiced in mental gymnastics, and you've made some impressive contortions to arrive at your conclusions.
Originally Posted by
Andy
As for the 'giant logical fallacy', you obviously don't know the history of Europe and Russia. European powers have invaded Russia multiple times over the centuries. But it all happened 'so long ago' that you choose to ignore European aggression.
I spent way too long with access to very sensitive information and high diplomatic channels, watching some of the crap that the US and our allies pulled. As a pilot, I've even flown more than a few missions that were designed to provoke 'bad' countries. And yes, I was once brainwashed, much like you and most westerners are with respect to US/ally provocations and aggression.
Pretty funny you talk about "European aggression" towards Russia. Are you really suggesting the invasion of Russia by Napoleon in the 19th century justifies Russian behavior in the 21st?
And what of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? The Winter War? Was that a justifiable act of Russian "defense"? Or did you conveniently ignore these examples because it doesn't jive with your narrative of Russian victimhood?
Or maybe you actually don't know history as well as you think you do.
Someone fell for the ruski propaganda hook, line, and sinker. You're the one who has been brainwashed.