I think this is really the case. I thought I read it earlier but can't see it now, but someone mentioned maybe between 2014 and 2018 as being the "good times." LOTS of pilots hired during that time frame, myself included, who are just seeing this for the first time. I don't think anyone really thought they were our friend, just that it's been fairly cordial. I think the big shock is the in-your-face nature of their comments, and that it's actually being said aloud. Never mind that they're taking a stance that is clearly contrary to the language and it's intent. Their stance is akin to me saying that I interpret our SC language of "promptly available" is 4.5 hours and it's not a violation and I can't be punished until the arbitrator says it's a violation (or pick any other ridiculous stance). I think it's pretty clear to the group that this is a cost savings measure to reduce the impact of the agreed upon PWA. It just seems like such a short-sighted stance.