Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Not sure if this qualifies as sprinkles... maybe Pollyanna 😜, but I didn't take the podcast as the sell job coming and here's why.

SWAPA has years and years of polling data. They know what's important to the vast majority of the pilots. They also refreshed it in the recent poll as well. They also stated they're not interested in a 51% solution either. They've also acknowledged the mistakes made in 2016 especially with implementation and agreeing without codifying and completing the language.

And let's be honest here... if we went by the forums temperature, do you honestly think any of the legacy contracts would have passed by the margins they did? Do you think Alaska's turd would have passed by the margin it did? Or Delta's? They settled for far less than they should have, and every other major airline CEO except our halfwit, rushed to "l0cK iN dA gAiNz" because the pilot contracts were on sale at bargain rates. Yet, despite the forum temperatures, they passed, convincingly so.

The problem with people opposed to this are people who use one-liners, disparaging comments without so much as offering any other substance, rationale or reasoning, or something that would appeal to people to vote against what they perceive to be a turd. Yes, it's a sales job whichever way you slice it - you want people to vote yes, you gotta sell it. Same with no votes, gotta sell voting no, and what may seem obvious to you may not be so obvious to others. As Zap said earlier, disparaging a type A personality usually tends to push them the other way. However, a polite conversation does wonders. That's why I was a huge fan of JL the last go because he wasn't disparaging to those who disagreed with him with the exception of TD who actually deserved everything coming to him and then some. Pull down some data, engage in conversation and sell me your no (or your yes) vote. An analytical approach is far more convincing than cutesy name calling, disparaging and perjorative remarks with zero substance, mindless chest thumping, "do your own research" referrals, and one liners. That's at least part of the reason why crappy TA's pass - people are too lazy to counter with a sales job of their own.

With respect to our rates, at the very minimum, they need to be on par with A321XLR/A321neo/B757/B767-300. At least they do for me to even continue reading any agreement before voting no. I will be paying a very close attention to retro calculations as well.

We shall see what the next 3 weeks bring.