Old 12-04-2023 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by STzBack
This far outweight the irrelevant concessions it has asked for. Much better income for the 6 years left of the contract.

The problem is that there's a 20-30 years cultural difference between some that are at the end of their career and do not care if they take the company down with them, they are now lazy, burnt out, ENTITLED, very snowflakish ("oh my goooood! a legal 10hours min-rest, after a 8 hours 4-legs day, aaargh, I am fatigued") and those who are starting their career, need to frontload on their 401K, will have their first children, along with those with kids in school, building their patrimony. The huge difference between the "You need to pay your dues, I suffered here" and the rest is grown past mending. The next vote will show it. Hence why no vote is coming. The pyromaniacs feel the need to keep on feeding their pretorian guard on the MB. Hence why the next elections will be very interesting. I'm sure the company can wait. People are doing the job they are employed and paid for. The only ones losing are pilots, losing potential income, because the much richer, almost retired segment of the group is acting like children.

Since the MB is the place where one can propose idiotic ideas, what about, in order to finally have the union politburo to bring things to a vote, get the echo chamber message board useful idiots to accept anything, we should, maybe, have a two-fold contract: one for the bitter, angry, spoiled, stuck at netjets, Year 18+ guys, with all the spoils of war they are demanding above all, first class tickets on all travel, chef's prepared meal with unlimited meal deviation limit so that they can order the triple-stack fat burger at Applebees, 6 hours duty per day, 4 days on/10 days off, at Delta A350 pay rate. We should really have a special children clause in there. 💩 apologies, thought sattire was on the menu.
IRRELEVANT concessions?

Now we KNOW you are a company stooge if not a management pilot.

If you think allowing OEM pilots to routinely fly OUR airplanes is a good idea you have NO concept of scope or how important it is. There's already been one major scope dodge here that cost at least 50 seniority list pilot jobs. You don't want another.

The fact that management is fighting SO HARD to claw back EFPP should tell you all you need to know about its potential value. The negotiating committee has expressed SOME willingness to give it up IF the rest of the package is SPECTACULAR. If you think the company proposal is spectacular, you prove the most famous axiom widely attributed to P. T. Barnum.

The signing bonus....you're telling me that a guy on property 8 days deserves the same bonus as a guy on the property 8 YEARS? Straight-up vote buying. If you want to START everybody's bonus at $15 K and THEN give everybody $150 per month of service (with NO CAP) then I'm good with it. If not, straight up NO for me.

Will we get Delta money (on an apples to apples, per day of work comparison)? No. Will we get major hard limits on duty time and the like? No. Will we get major improvements in airline policy, hotels, and crew food? No. As some have said "this job will always kinda suck." But it's long past time for them to PAY for the suck and they are completely unwilling to do it.
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