Old 12-04-2023 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
IRRELEVANT concessions?

Now we KNOW you are a company stooge if not a management pilot.

If you think allowing OEM pilots to routinely fly OUR airplanes is a good idea you have NO concept of scope or how important it is. There's already been one major scope dodge here that cost at least 50 seniority list pilot jobs. You don't want another.
Could you show, copy it here, the text where it says that we would "allow OEM pilots to routinely fly OUR planes". You're exagerating and interpreting and you know very well. And are you still holding grudge and jealousy on the NJI deal? it's 2023, none of the people hired after 1998 cares.

The fact that management is fighting SO HARD to claw back EFPP should tell you all you need to know about its potential value. The negotiating committee has expressed SOME willingness to give it up IF the rest of the package is SPECTACULAR. If you think the company proposal is spectacular, you prove the most famous axiom widely attributed to P. T. Barnum.
The EFPP is a stupid item, it's so lame it is insultintg this was actually approved in a vote by this group. It has zero value. As far as company not wanting the public/competitors to be going through their accounting, anyone with an ounce of business education understands. As far as the argument that it allows us to see their books (along with the rest of the world) and see how much money they have... I thought we already know how much money they have and that's why we are asking for all these QOL/compensations, "because they can pay". They can pay 1st class tickets, 6 stars hotels, 8-9 hours duty per day, delta pay, also increase ressources in strat ops, pay everyone better than anyone does and still make so much money, they have so much money, even Apple is jealous.
The EFPP is a useless item to fight for. Won't survive a vote. not worth losing a 30% increase year one.



The signing bonus....you're telling me that a guy on property 8 days deserves the same bonus as a guy on the property 8 YEARS? Straight-up vote buying. If you want to START everybody's bonus at $15 K and THEN give everybody $150 per month of service (with NO CAP) then I'm good with it. If not, straight up NO for me.

YES, but you're probably part of the same group who was against FDP equivalent for SIC's. Yes, the guy on property for 8 days deserve to be paid as much. Stop trying to create an upper class. YOu're not getting a bonus based on your hardship having suffered hardship like a congolese coltan miner, you're just getting a bonus on a LOA/IBI. Get over yourself.

Will we get Delta money (on an apples to apples, per day of work comparison)? No. Will we get major hard limits on duty time and the like? No. Will we get major improvements in airline policy, hotels, and crew food? No. As some have said "this job will always kinda suck." But it's long past time for them to PAY for the suck and they are completely unwilling to do it.
We can get the best pay ever for a fractional/charter company, without even extending our contract, and then start again real negotiation in 2026-29. They just offered more money than you've ever seen in your netjets life. The suck? it's a fractional/charter/on-demand job, it will always suck, but it's always been known, never a surprise. Everyone knows before signing what on-demand is. "Paying for the suck" is such a short-sighted thing to say, an narrative with no tomorrows. but you're rich now, you probably got a couple millions in 401K, a couple homes, you're probably a grand-parent by now. So you don't care about the pilot group, like all your old friends, you're selfish, you want to have your temper tantrum like a little child who is not getting the extra serving of stuffing at Thanksgiving. Age 70 rule is aproaching. You want others to pay for your personal career choices. You're "entitled". You would love to be paid CC76 to just stay home. You need an improved medical deal beyond the 3 years we have so that you can really scheme the system without working. Total lack of integrity, but you want to give lessons to other? I don't care that you were here in 1998, I wasn't and didnt want to be. It is not my fault that no Legacy has hired you since. No one forced you to "suffer so terrible". Get back to reality, go see how things happen in the real life. Go get a 7-8 hours day job, 6 days a week, 4 weeks a month and enjoy your 2-3 total weeks vacation per year.
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