Originally Posted by
tennisguru
What makes you think upgrades will continue to go so junior if 67 passes? Yes guys will medical out or retire early but that already happens now. The fact is 500 retirements a year will all but dissappear for 2 years (or 5 if you get your way again). Yes we are still short staffed and the company is growing so there will still be movement, but no one in their right mind thinks that movement that occurs with age 67 will match the movement today. It WILL slow down, just how much is the unknown. You have a myopic view that junior upgrades means no one would be harmed. Every person ahead of a pilot in their category that was going to leave but doesn't has a negative impact on that pilot when it comes to vacation, PBS, GS, WS, etc. A pilot who is #11 in their category at age 63, and was going to end up #1 by 65, now is stuck at #11 (or maybe 9-10 if a couple of guys leave before 67) for 2 years. Now that pilot is 65 and now must stay to 67 if he wants to enjoy being #8 down to #1. Don't tell me with a straight face that he is not negatively impacted.
Aww. It must be rough. All that stagnation. Just be glad you didn't have to get furloughed only to come back and sit sideways for years than 10 more years in the right seat of a maddog or a 757 if you were lucky and then have the pension you were promised taken away by a greedy management and a weak union. You really won't convince me or anyone else in my age group that your generation, the fastest upward moving since the early 60s, have a hardship by giving us what's fair. So guess what, we'll just take it and you can cry about it online.
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
They can't say it with a straight face. They don't want to fly to 67 to "save the industry." They want to fly to 67 ONLY if they get to keep their QOL and top relative seniority. If they have to lose that or sacrifice that, then they get upset and cry DFR lawsuits. It's purely a money grab by the super senior guys.
Cool. Thanks for telling us that. It really changes everything now that I know that. Yes, I want what I'm entitled to and what I've earned. I can't help it that you're into social ism and think everyone deserves equal outcomes.
Originally Posted by
TED74
Care to share evidence of advocacy for retirement age extension you demonstrated more than five years ago? Have you written senators asking them to lift ALL age limits and force employers to re-hire retirees at their previous seniority, with back pay and a retroactive profit sharing re-distribution? Shaming folks for advocating in their best interests is pretty ridiculous if you ask me (you didn’t).
You know who impresses me? The pilots who say “I’ve had a great run and it’s time to move on like all those who moved on to my own benefit”. Something I hope to emulate myself down the road, somewhere around age 60. I’ve chatted with enough old timers to have internalized the false promise of another $500-800k in the out years when death is almost certainly less than 30 years away and basic mobility might even be gone in 5-10. 4,000 weeks is a full life on average; less than 800 Fridays left by age 65 is a pretty sweet time to walk away from working for the man. A forced-out is actually more blessing than curse IMHO. I know we’ve all got our own opinions but for the time being ALPA representatives are properly representing their constituents on the issue. I expect that trend to continue - amidst frivolous lawsuits or not.
Originally Posted by
DirtLZ
Can you imagine living your final 10-15 years on the planet reading lawsuit updates and praying you get a meaningless lawsuit pay day? I would rather be with my family while playing golf, fishing, and camping.
Cool. Thanks for sharing.