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Old 01-01-2024 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Okay, then. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?



Yes, I was around. As you know, it's a different time. How is it different? In several ways. Particularly, germane to this issue, though, we've all witnessed in real life how the industry was affected by a black swan event over the last few years. We don't have to imagine or guess.

While not exactly the same (no two situations ever are), the airline industry experienced an arguably even more devastating blow than the 9/11 attacks when the pandemic hit in March 2020. A HUGE difference was the government bailout of the airlines that ensued after the respective events:



When adjusted for inflation, the $15 billion assistance in 2001 is roughly equivalent to about $26 billion in today's dollars. In other words, the financial support airlines received following the COVID-19 outbreak was over three times greater in real terms than what was provided after 9/11.

You seem to be advocating a Maginot Line approach to assisting SWA (the company) in staving off bankruptcy in the event another black swan event occurs by downscaling and diluting our demands in anticipation of the possibility of it happening. You're focused on strategies that may have been effective in the past, 20+ years ago. As the French found out, though, times had changed. More recently, Blockbuster and Blackberry made similar mistakes.

Maybe we should have agreed to that 10% pay cut Carl wanted back in 2020 after the pandemic kicked off. Would have made bankruptcy that much less likely. Job security, am I right?

Our strategies and demands, while keeping in mind the past, should be based on the present economic landscape, labor market, and government policy trends, rather than outdated models.
No Lew, what I am saying is that I think you're awfully naive if you think the company will idly just sit and accept giving us the widebody pipe dream even if we force them to. In other words, you're advocating for a great pyrrhic victory. I'd be willing to bet that your way, now that the market has been settled, will cause us to miss this entire contract cycle even if we were to eventually achieve all the gains you're advocating. Like I said many times, your approach had merit before AS and DL pilots signed theirs? UAL and AA sealed it. But let's play along...

How long do you think it will take us to achieve what you're advocating using the RLA process? Start by accounting for the NC and SWAPA Exec replacement, then the post mortem of this TA, then the games with the company and the mediator... How long does this take? A year? Year and a half? Maybe longer? How about the mediator shenanigans, and pressing to test all those levers to get us to self-help you're avidly advocating? How about LUV BOD? Do you think they just direct BoJo to fold? Or perhaps stall as long as possible and try and induce negotiations fatigue on this pilot group and perhaps time it with the next round of pattern bargaining and then "capitulating" at the end of this pattern bargaining cycle? Do you really think we are all simply just missing out on an oportunity to dictate and impose our collective will on SWA via RLA process without any resistance and games of their own? To what end, at whose detriment, and for whose benefit?
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