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Old 01-07-2024 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ogarmyopar
that’s completely false I have buddies there that got hired 2 years ago that won’t see wb ca until the tail end of their career in a decent base nyc a bit sooner. Getting hired now almost certainly guarantees no wb ca but you can still get awarded nb ca in less than 2 years
Well that depends on their age. It also depends on whether AA rebuilds their WB fleed or decides to cede to UAL.

Originally Posted by IFartInYourSeat
Nuts that you can get NB CA at UAL. I’m in the same boat as OP that I’m junior, looking at watching the pension get stripped away with a divided retirement group, and NB future. I got a CJO and class date in less than a month. I’m looking for FDX to make one good move to galvanize my trust in them… but it’s just miss after miss when looking at management decisions.
FDX is not going to make that move anytime soon. They WANT you to leave right now. Once they are right sized, then they MIGHT start making better choices... doubt it though.

Originally Posted by C2078
People stuck with this “I was hired in blah blah blah” mentality truly don’t understand that Fedex is going through a major transformational change in how it thinks and operates. The days of “love to fly airplanes” are gone. The OpEd has serious and legitimate concerns, although he went to Fedex making assumptions about the future, that is on him. The decline in volume is cyclical, it will rebound, that is not the main source of the root problems for the Fedex pilot group going forward. Yes, they over hired, which exacerbates the problem but should correct eventually. This is a short term problem.

The main problems which will affect the pilots most are the shift to moving the package the cheapest way possible vs mostly flying it, AND the loss of the postal volume, which will basically decimate the day sorts, drastically reduce domestic day flying. While I don’t think Fedex will shrink to the size of UPS, I do think it doesn’t take much to read all the information out there, financial disclosures, etc, to clearly see Express will shrink a fair amount. No one saw coming what UPS just did, offer a buyout to the most expensive pilots in order to rightsize the group. Fedex is acting more like the traditional UPS, fear mongering, scare tactics, trying to get people to leave on their own when it simply won’t happen en mass like they want to unless you incentivize people. A major shift in culture is going on, this is not the lost decade, not 1998, not 2000, not cyclical (not counting volume decline which is).

The junior folks at Fedex are faced with a no win situation. Stay and be stagnated for multiple years (length is anyone’s guess), or go to the big 4 after a major hiring wave and be at risk of any sort of downturn in the world (economy, another pandemic, whatever), plus seniority progression will not be anywhere near like someone hired in 2021, 2022 for example. Plus some may not even want to fly pax.

I have multiple friends at Fedex, two very junior, who don’t plan on leaving ‘cause they are too old and are resigned to the fact of being a permanent FO. The common theme amongst all of them: FDX pilot group is highly dysfunctional, very little unity, senior eat the junior for lunch, no cohesiveness, MEC leadership clueless. They say this is the hardest part to swallow. All the Fred non contractual leniency, kindness basically gone. It’s like working for UPS 🙄.

If you are 45 or younger, very tough decision. If older, you might as well ride it out. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. One thing is clear: the Fred Fedex is gone. There were ups and downs with Fred, good and bad (I would guess mostly good), but the indu bean counter is in charge, with the help of the Atlas butcher, pressured by a board who only cares about money. This is the reality of corporate America, greed, money, profits over anything else. Don’t get me wrong, I am a true capitalist, but I do think the pendulum has swung way too far.

Legitimate concern, tough choice, no win situation. But I will agree, try to be happy even in the worst situations.
well said.
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