My initial point to you was, why are you throwing out the "pbs is industry standard" argument RIGHT NOW when there are countiless industry standard items we don't have. Why argue against what we should have? You are even admiting now that I pointed it out that we are behind. So why the pbs argument? Just doesn't make sense to me unless you are some kind of contract pacifist.

Anyway, many of the items I listed have been industry standard: profit sharing, cash over cap, holiday pay, snap up provisions, 3.5 duty rig, hotels during cq and sub, even the scope protections I mentioned. The other items, maybe one or two of the three legacies didn't have. That means that one or two did have those items since before this industry negotiating cycle. For what we do, we should be one of those airlines that has those items and others pattern bargain off of us. But we wont ever get to that point unless people like you stop throwing out the old tired, we don't have pbs, argument EVERY time somone tries to make a point why we should be industry leading, much less industry standard.

There seeems to be a culture change happening where the bottom of the seniority list feel more like I do than how you do. I'll I ask is not to get in the way of those of us who are trying to be a strong unified pilot group who wants to fight for more than what we have becuase we deserve better than what other pilot groups have fought for in their contract gains.

Its more embarrasment that we have pilots here that argue for mediocrity. I dont want what other passenger airlines have. I want THIS airline to have BETTER than what passenger airlines have. We have a good system form that provides mostly what most pilots like. Now I'd like to see us go towards being industry leading at some point in the next couple of contract cycles. I'll do my best and my part to help us get there. Its my goal but at least its not to toil in the mid to lower teir pilot contracts.