Originally Posted by
FXLAX
Someone should be once the pay rate comparison tables for the 2006 and 2011 TAs and it showed our WB rates more or less in line with everyobody else's top pay rates. And I understand that that was more becuase others went through bk and came down. Which makes my point even stronger. We never went through bk so why shouldn't we keep up with other's top pay rates when they have had to go through bk?
Prior to the bankruptcies, UAL and DAL had 777 rates that were $50-$60 per hour more than our top WB rates. After the BK's, we were about $30-$50 per hour higher until 2016, when DAL, UAL, and AA all took the lead again by about $30 per hour. So to say that our WB rates have alway been tied to the highest pax rates simply isn't true.
Originally Posted by
FXLAX
Lastly, AA/DA/UA all contribute 17% to their pilots' 401k. Its their equivalent of us getting years of servicee when we are on LTD. And they get 17% while on LTD. And their LTDs have no offsets.
Yes, there are offsets, at least in DAL's contract. It's right there in section 26.
Originally Posted by
FXLAX
My point in all this Ive posted on this thread is, lets not argue on behalf of management. They certainly don't need the help. Lets focus on arguments FOR increases and different areas.
No one is arguing on management's behalf. If you don't think they can come up with these ideas themselves, then you are underestimating our opponent. By discussing their potential stances to our request for industry standard, hopefully we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot.