Originally Posted by
JustInFacts
Prior to the bankruptcies, UAL and DAL had 777 rates that were $50-$60 per hour more than our top WB rates. After the BK's, we were about $30-$50 per hour higher until 2016, when DAL, UAL, and AA all took the lead again by about $30 per hour. So to say that our WB rates have alway been tied to the highest pax rates simply isn't true.
Yes, there are offsets, at least in DAL's contract. It's right there in section 26.
No one is arguing on management's behalf. If you don't think they can come up with these ideas themselves, then you are underestimating our opponent. By discussing their potential stances to our request for industry standard, hopefully we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot.
The fact that our WB rates were comporable to their bk rates makes my case stronger. FDX never went through bk so if anything our rates should be higher their theirs.
LTD, two of the three legacies have no caps either. Its become industry standard. Let me put it this way, if we got no offsets, we still wouldn't be industry leading. We'd be catching up. So sorry if I didn't mention that delta has offsets for workers comp or pbgc anuities or that they all other offsets are gone after 3 years. The point is that if you throw out pbs, I throw out a couple dozen items were we are not industry STANDARD. The pbs argment is dead.
Lastly, this isn't about trying not to let management know any secrets. This is about OUR mentality. The mentality that we can't have a good things. When people make the pbs argument it furthers that mentaility into other's minds and they start spreading it. We need unity, not pilots thinking we cant ask for more simple becuase we don't have pbs or some other item. If you don't beleive it, fine. Don't spread the mind virus to others that are fighting to get a better contract.