Originally Posted by
Delco92
That was my point Friday night -- thanks for asking the same question again. I was unable to get my point across. Practice bid or not, people just showing up on the 30HC list and not being awarded the seat in the bid does not make sense!
I think the Union needs to approach the Company with two options.
One, approach the Company with an early retirement package for over 60 guys that is drawn up my SS and JA. I am sure these guys are smart on the issues of sick usage, disability and productivity at other airlines with older guys flying. I am sure the company will listen. I hope the Memphis Mustache Mafia will!!!!! I has heard he is not going to approach the company with anything. Please, get him to listen this time to the membership!!!!!!
Two, Cancel all bids since Age 60 and start over.
If PC will not address the problems since 200 retreads are allowed to train again and again and again, then I think everyone whose bid was CNXed or is excessed should bid Hong Kong. Wide Body pay for everyone!
I contend that, "reverse order of seniority" should apply to all seat positions effected since age 60 was allowed to happen by DW and ALPA. If not, keeping Junior people in Honk Kong SHOULD cost the company big time.
The company has run its own analysis and decided its cheaper to keep folks on that pay an ealry retirement. I think its safe to say everyone would LOVE to see a win/win situation where folks would leave early.
Historical analysis shows that while everyone has a "number" on what it would take to get them to leave early, about 250k "extra" is the magic button. I think the company has decided its not worth it and cheaper to keep folks around. Bottom line is I think most of us would like to see some over-60 types walk out gracefully, but the cost to the company to keep them around is less. Everyone makes the assumption folks will use a lot of sick leave, etc but until its proven these folks aren't productive to train I would not expect any changes.
There are some solid places to get info--the R&I chair is really sharp and knows a lot of about these kinds of issues--you can contact him via ALPA or in VIPs and I'm sure he'd share his insights. As you mentioned, he and JA have been on this for a while--but the COMPANY is the one not interested--not us...
"Lunch with Albie" is on at the Indian Palace at 1130 on Wednesday. I'll be glad to talk about this and other issues then if anyone is interested. You dont' have to be there to get answers, however--call your reps.