Originally Posted by
JustInFacts
You were the one who said that our WB rates were banded to the majors highest rate. I showed that wasn't the case.
Which two, UAL has an offset as well.
Where did I say anything about PBS? You are confusing me with another poster.
This discussion is about 757 rates. I simply pointed out that saying our 757 rates should be tied to UAL, DAL, or AA because they are industry standard is a dangerous argument. For 17 years, our 757 has been tied to our NB rate. When we got the 777, the arbitrator agreed with the company that we have a NB and WB rate. Now, if we say we want industry standard rates, how do we keep our 767 and Airbus at WB rates. They aren't industry standard. They also comprise about 35% of our crewforce.
I have no problem trying to make things better. We just better make sure our arguments for one item don't hurt another item.
Our WB rates were comporable to other's top pay aircraft. That's what I said only becuase I saw the pay rate comparison tables from contract TAs from the 2000s.
Yes, UAL has offsets. I wasn't including pbgc offsets (that only affect those who have a pension and are on ltd) and offsets that expire after 3 years. And they did get rid of the other offsets. Nonetheless, that is still more closer to standard than ours. So it doesn't hurt the case I was making.
As for getting you confused, maybe. I was replying to max who throws out the pbs argment. Then you came into the conversation. Not tryint to put words in your mouth.
Ok, the 757. I agree with you there...up to the point that the UAL TA was ratified. Now industry standard is that the 757 is pay banded with the 767-300. This is not a disengenous argument unless you think you can make the arugment that since the 757 paid $120/hour (or whatever it was) 17 years ago that we cannot say it needs to be hiegh now along with other's contractual gains on the 757.
Peronally, I'd like to see a single blended rate with credit for training savings.