Originally Posted by
dontsurf
just so i understand this correctly: you're saying it's specifically in the expressjet pilot contract that if expressjet gets bought by some other company, the expressjet pilot seniority list must merge with all the other seniority lists of all other companies owned by the company that buys expressjet? if that's the case, then i see what you mean about a "make or break" vote by expressjet pilots.
That is what it seems and why SKW wants assurances and the holding letter revoked.
Originally Posted by
Slaphappy
and thats the reason I don't know why xjt pilots are so against it. You already know what will happen if there isn't a buyout, Cal made that clear.
CAL may just be posturing. Nothing is for sure, that we know of at least. But I don't think that pilots are against it unilaterally. If the deal is right, I'm sure a majority of pilots would embrace it.
Originally Posted by
flyboyzz1
Not to sound like an ass...but I don't think that the 69 airplanes taught CAL anything. I think it taught the rest of the regional industry what we should have already known...there is no money in 50 seat branded flying!
And the sad part is that if the cost of fuel were what they were last April XJT would have proven the naysayers wrong.
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
Does anyone know what TWA's scope was? I believe they integrated at 8 to 1 into American's list. I am sure that wasn't in their ALPA contract. I just don't feel that pilot contracts with this administration are that strong. Does anyone think that the government is going to let AA strike? I know you guys have a great contract and relationship with your management, but I wouldn't count on your contract to keep whatever upper management wants to do from happening. Loook at TSA/gojet...
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Are you just throwing out red herrings like AA/TWA and TSA/Gojet as flame bait? I'm surprised you didn't mention USA/AWA.
Originally Posted by
dontsurf
interesting. two different issues there, though. you already mentioned the CAL part. but this isn't a "merger", it's a buyout by what is basically a holding company, skywest inc. it'll be interesting to see how it all works out, negotiation-wise, between not only skywest inc. and the board of directors and shareholders of expressjet, but also between skywest inc. and expressjet pilots, with that issue.
You are confusing two separate and distinct things. The scope clause and holding letter talks about a successor. It doesn't differentiate whether that company becomes a successor through a merger or a buyout. It just says that the SENIORITY LISTS must be merged if there is a successor.