I have heard rumors from no hiring for 3-4 years to hiring on the panel this year. Depends on who you talk to on what kind of answer you get reguarding the 76/dc-8 deal. Talk to some guys high up in maint. and they will tell you the 76 is a replacement for the 8. Talk to someone in the training dept. and they say it is not a replacement. I think it is a replacement of some sort. With many MD's coming back to domestic, the whole system is being shuffled. So it is going to be hard to really see if the 76's are replacing the 8. Salty is right, not even the company knows how many guys will actually work until 65. Too many variables right now to guess when hiring might start up again. If we hire in 09, I think that would be an optimistic guess. I just have a hard time seeing anyone off the street getting on this year.