Originally Posted by
jerryleber
And you have admitted that you have held both positions based on your self interests. I don't think anyone is unclear on your motives.
Actually, I owned my position even back in the day, and yes, it was purely for selfish reasons. At least I have no qualms admitting I held a position for self-serving reasons. Now, it really doesn't matter to me, but I enjoy exposing the likes of you for being hypocrites, and the pretzel-twisting, emotional pleas and guilt-trips are indeed comical and very cheap entertainment. See... all you need to do to shut me up is admit what I did back in the day - I want senior people out so I can advance and get mine. It's THAT simple. The pretzel, however, is comical.
Originally Posted by
CRJCapitan
You're sticking your head in the sand if you think there aren't winners and losers. Stating that doesn't mean that means anything relating to the outcome or even that it should be considered at all. You still glossed over my entire point.
There are indeed winners and losers. What do you call a guy who gets hired at a legacy who happens to be over 60? We've had plenty of those around lately. It's just not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and 2 years, especially when we don't have thousands of furloughed pilots doesn't even register on my give-a-sh!t-meter. See my reply to Sliceback below. There are far bigger threats to your (and mine) career advancement than potential 2 more years at the top or getting "stagnated" in today's environment.
Originally Posted by
Sliceback
One third of pilots don't fall off the list. A lot of that is guys using up sick time. Buddy retired 'early' on medical....with cashing out it was his best year ever.
Roughly 7% on LTD. At most carriers it goes unitl retirement. The biggest downside is not inflation indexed.
"I'm ready to leave early." Man, if I had a dollar for every time someone says that but doesn't leave early... The fiscal reality and the best bidding seniority at the end of one's carrier makes the overwhelming majority of guys keep working. Who leaves? Often guys who've busted their asses on their days off doing another job. It's not the airline job that makes them quit, it's the grind of doing 2 jobs.
Sure... but also how many guys you know end up on LTD for years missing out on years of income and retirement contributions because of a health issue that actually may benefit from staying a tad longer? How long does it take to come back after a heart attack? Or how about some other health issues? I have a friend who got into a car accident... took him almost 3 years to get back to flying 121. What did that cost him? Care to guess how long it takes for the FAA to process SI these days?
On the other side of the coin, I have flown with captains at Southwest who would gripe with the best of them, yet the worst thing that ever happened in their 25+ year career was...... what? A merger where they came out on top? They certainly outearned their legacy peers by leaps and bounds, and all while the rest of the industry lost half our pay, lost our pensions, saw stagnation due to age 60 getting unstatus-quoed, etc. etc. There is no such thing as cookie-cutter career that everyone feels they're entitled to, but collectively, we sure can whine with the best.
Again, I take no position on Age 67. I did have one on Age 60 and by God did I own it. I do, however, take position on exposing the hypocrisy on both sides and I acknowledge that both sides have an argument for their position, but those are based on their self-interests and their own priorities and not some virtue, safety, or well-being of the profession. It is downright comical how people have a hard time admitting their own selfishness, self-centeredness, and their own greed because somehow, that's not virtuous or "nice." But sure is hypocritical.