Originally Posted by Margaritaville

A friend sent this to me yesterday. An ALPA card drive? In the middle of negotiations? Are you guys nuts?

https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...epresentation/

I remember several years ago when a small group looked into this and apparently were told by ALPA organizers that G4 pilots could not go directly from IBT to ALPA because the two signed a no compete clause. Apparently the only way to do it would be to decertify IBT to go non union and then recertify ALPA with another card drive. That sounds extremely dangerous at a place like allegiant where you know Maury is going to put his thumb on the scale and a lot of pilots will listen.

Y'all keep this up and you're going to find yourselves with no contract and no protection. Ask around what it was like working there before the union came on property. Also how much is in that Andrew "negotiations" slush fund? What happens to that money?

Y'all know I'm no fan of Andrew or the IBT but this is the nuclear option. A crappy union is better than no union. Probably not a good time for this.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

That said, G4 would be well served to go to ALPA but because you can't go directly from IBT to ALPA because of the no compete agreement between the two that becomes very risky. There is no way around that except to decertify IBT and then recertify ALPA as I've been told.

Btw you need to do your research. K9 decertified IBT and went non union and then immediately recertified ALPA. But they were a 200 pilot group and well organized. Not a thousand+ group where 30% or so don't engage at all on union issues and were fine before IBT came in and massive fractures exist within the union leadership.