Originally Posted by
Rama
My daughter is learning to fly and will be through her commercial this year.
She asked me about the ATP at 21 years old since her instructor told her she would not be abe to get it without the stated aviation college courses stipultated for the restricted ATP.
I know that they can reduce the hours, but from my searching of the often vaguely written FAR's, I thought 21 was okay with 1500 tt and thex-c and other hours as specified.
Do you know of a ruling or document that specifically states that 21 is legal for an ATP though without 121 PIC priveleges?
Thanks.
You are correct. Tell your daughter's CFI to check again. There are two classifications: a restricted ATP (defined in part 61.159) and an unrestricted ATP (defined in part 61.160). Unrestricted means you meat all the requirements, and restricted means you have a limitation on your certificate because there are still requirements you need to meet, but once you meet those requirements, you can get the limitation removed. Basically it just prevents you from acting as PIC of a 121 carrier, but you can still be an SIC.
There are three scenarios that I can think of that would require you to get a restricted ATP:
One can get a restricted ATP through a part 141 college degree program, like you mention, reducing the total hours to 1250 or 1000 with completion of an associates or bachelor's aviation program respectively.
One can get a restricted ATP as a military pilot with only 750 hours regardless of having a part 141 degree.
And one can get a restricted ATP for either one of the following reasons regardless of having a part 141 degree:
- Being at least 21 but younger than 23.
- Having at least 200 but fewer than 500 hours of cross country time.
Short answer: not only part 141 degree holders qualify for a restricted ATP. Most people do based on lack of cross country time or being too young.